Fletch Blog: Fedor, UFC and the "New Breed of Heavyweights"

Good morning, sports fans. Open your knees and feel the breeze, sit back and smoke your pipe, cos I’m here to attack the propaganda with Team Takeover at my back, tweaking the nipples of the MMA world.

It seems only fitting that in my first lyrical rampage at LowKick – bastion of MMA news and features – I should start with the Great One. The big cheese, the dog’s bollocks, the crème de la crème of the sport. Yes, I am referring to a pudgy, prematurely bald Russian man. Why waste article uno on some sniveling mediocrity? Why be content with anything less than the best? Better than all the rest? Better than anyone? Anyone I’ve ever met…

*Tina Turner need not apply for royalties. I’m penniless, sweetheart…*

OK, the introductions are made, the pipe is laden with Drum tobacco, so let the festivities begin. This is the point where the posters of Sherdog, MMALinker and all the other Mixed Martial Arts cesspools of stupidity need to remain silent, while the adults speak. Because the subject I plan to spit my prose all lyrical like upon, is the very subject that these thousands of dribbling infants have been whining over across every large MMA forum for the past two years: Fedor and the UFC.

Yes, Fedor, his legacy, and the looming, sinister presence of the UFC – our beloved American organization that supposedly has the best interests of the sport’s worldwide growth in mind, with every event, every press release and every new conquest… yet, despite their well-being and benevolence for all things MMA, they (for some strange reason) make it their modus operandi to downgrade and attack the legacy of the finest professional fighter to ever lace up the gloves in mixed grappling and striking combat; Fedor “The Last Emperor” Emelianenko.

And that is criminal.

UFC President dDana White, continually makes ludicrous claims that Fedor is NOT p4p material, nor is he a top 5 heavyweight. Worse, he mindlessly spat out this misinformation PRIOR to Fedor’s first ever loss, after a decade of dominance! When his own “top heavyweights” have not faced each other to prove their greatness, and nor have they beaten dangerous fighters that by consensus are sufficiently skilled enough to make a legitimate challenge to Fedor. Yet, they STILL make absurd public statements downplaying Fedor, the UFC and Dana come off like jealous, jilted lovers. It is sad that the President of the world’s (sadly) largest MMA organization is such an immature man, that in the interests of public relations and UFC propaganda, he will not only insult Fedor personally on ESPN radio, but will also happily tarnish the career and legacy of this sport’s best fighter.

Sadder still, my friends; there are tens of thousands of fans who happily ingest and swallow all this misinformation, then spread it like truth. It’s like a retard-friendly game of Chinese whispers.

Allow me, dear reader, to review the logic and context of the claim – made by Zuffa LLC, and duly repeated by an entire generation of brainwashed Americans who “train UFC” – the claim that Fedor Emelianenko, the man who imperiously stood atop the heavyweight mountain for seven long years is “ducking” the UFC.

(PS – if you have EVER even suggested that this claim is feasible, f*ck your life…)

Lets take a look at Fedor’s career, where he is now, and what exactly it is that he is “ducking” compared to the men he has already fought, could potentially fight, and will definitely wage war against in the cage.

Pride Fighting Championships are considered by many to be the very pinnacle of Mixed Martial Arts (read my history of the org at http://teamtakeover.forum-express.com/mma-f1/pride-fc-in-remembrance-of-the-finest-org-1997-2007-t180.htm) Emelianenko entered the Japanese promotion after a successful introduction to MMA with Rings, as an undersized heavyweight but with a lethal combination of outstanding throws and clinch, dangerous hands and a tremendous overall submission game. He duly triumphed over the future GOAT of K-1, Semmy “High Tower” Schilt; the most lethal lanky striker to live. If only Pride knew at the time they were essentially promoting a fight between the #1 All Time Greats of two different combat sports.

Soon into his Pride career, he earned a Heavyweight title shot against the consensus Second Greatest Of All Time: Rodrigo Nogueira. Nog is a Brazilian man who not only boasts a wealth of BJJ and submission grappling wizardry, he is a man who survived having a truck run over his chest as a kid, to become a Vale Tudo world heavyweight champion. That makes Nogueira tougher than Dan Quinn believes HIMSELF to be!

Fedor spent most of the fight either throwing Nog like a rag doll, pounding his face into the mat, or even Ground’n’Pounding him from within Nogueira’s guard. At the time, it was hands down THE most dangerous guard in the sport. That is what Fedor achieved, to become the Pride HW champion. No one would ever claim that title again.

Fedor defeated Nogueira again. He blew through a procession of former and future champions, from a variety of orgs. He took on and defeated K1 World Grand Prix champions, and ADCC submission grappling masters, Olympic Gold Medallist judoka’s and MMA champions of Pride and the UFC. He beat the other feared heavyweight Pride had to offer, the former K-1 terminator who ran the gauntlet of fire just to earn his Superfight with Fedor; Mirko “CroCop” Filipovic, the deadliest striker as yet seen in the sport. Fedor beat him in his own domain; out-striking him, forcing him onto the backfoot, and controlling the pace of the fight.

Fedor, quite simply, could not be touched.

I could be pedantic, and run through the rest of Fedor’s Pride career, but we all know it by heart; thanks to the dribbling, users on Sherdog forums, who posted their “expert analysis” of that career across the forums, explaining to each and every one of us exactly why each and every single win of Fedor’s was “overrated”.

Fedor defeating Nogueira again = overrated.

Fedor beating Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic = overrated.

Fedor being 7-0 (currently) against UFC champions = overrated.

Fedor having defeated UFC champions, Olympians, Pride champs, K-1 champions, Grand Prix winners in both K-1 and MMA (Pride), ADCC champs, Rings champs, top 10 opponents and badass motherfuckers alike = vastly, vastly overrated.

All that is overrated! Because we all know – Fedor is scared of the post-2008 UFC “New Breed of Heavyweight!!” It’s a fact, sons!

Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin, Frank Mir, Todd Duffee, Junior Dos Santos, and Cain Velasquez are the names that were thrown at each and every fan that – obviously, in their right mind – happened to support the Greatest of all Time. But hold on… tell me, these are the guys that happened to usurp the top dogs of the UFC circa 2009, yes? Well, when Fedor was first accused of avoiding the UFC after the demise of Pride (mid 2007) the three top heavyweights were Tim Sylvia (champion), Randy Couture (who then beat Tim), and Andrei Arlovski (had been champion previously).

Fedor faced TWO of that three – Sylvia and Arlovski – and – as ever, vastly undersized – he destroyed them both in a combined 3 minutes and 50 seconds. He signed to fight the third (Couture) but the fight was cancelled, due to Randy resigning with the UFC.

Ducking? The elites of the UFC are what Fedor fears? The men at the top when Pride collapsed and Fedor was left without a home, are precisely the men who LEFT the UFC willingly to prove themselves against HIM, the men whom he respectively choked into submission, and scud missled into unconsciousness in a matter of minutes…

So, that takes care of 2007 and 2008. Roll on 2009, and lo and behold, UFC fanboys have found more reasons to ooze slime. Step aside, UFC elite and Fedor victims, because the New Breed are coming through. But are they really anything special that Fedor has not faced before? Fedor, the man who beat K-1 guys on the feet, BJJ world champions from within their own guard… he should fear the NEW BREED?

Prior to the PR fiasco that even Dr Josef Goebbels could not pretend was a fight between the world’s best heavyweights – Carwin vs. Lesnar – none of the New Breed had even fought each other! None had barely any top 10 wins between them! Brock was 4-1 win/loss, with his two shining triumphs being a 45yr old current light heavyweight, and a Frank Mir who last wore UFC gold proper in 2004. Carwin had more fights, but was little better; his best wins leading up to Brock were a Gonzaga whose stock is falling fast, and the aforementioned Mir.

As for Carwin vs. Brock itself, don’t make me laugh. Round 1 saw the sad spectacle of Brock turning and running from his opponent’s punches, cowering into a ball and praying that the referee would not stop the fight (he IS a cash cow, after all…) until Carwin prematurely gassed, and Brock managed to secure a submission on him in round 2 that resembled my 14yr old brother submitting a giant, inanimate teddy bear. Only the teddy would have been more of a challenge to secure a hold on, probably…

Best heavyweights in the world? UFC champion vs. UFC “interim heavyweight champion”? (Don’t get me started on THAT can of worms)

Yes… clearly, Fedor Emelianenko – with his pinpoint accuracy striking and knockout power, his great throws, top-notch submission game, indomitable will and ceaseless endurance, is ducking the top 2 fighters of the UFC – Shane and Brock.

Only now of course, there is no “interim champ” in Shane. So now there is, theoretically, a NEW second best HW in the UFC. Great. That basically means now that the old guard is discredited, their weaknesses and flaws highlighted, there is a NEW guy that Fedor is obviously ducking! Now it’s Cain! Now, while Cain is superior to the rest of the “new breed”, he is hardly a monster. “Pillow hands” is one criticism he is stuck with… and I fail to see in what area of fighting he is superior to not only Fedor, but to the hulking Alistair Overeem; Strikeforce champion, and the REAL new breed of heavyweight to my mind. 6’5 of solid muscle, speed and strength, not to mention K-1 striking and ADCC level grappling. THAT is new breed.

Nogueira and “CroCop” being picked up by the UFC was the worst thing to happen to Fedor’s career. After both men – far past their primes, both – were cannibalized by younger fighters who’d never fought under the glare of the Rising Sun – majority of fans were able to discredit Fedor’s consensus biggest wins. But let’s think in terms of context:

Is Nogueira, after such a punishing career, even 50% of the fighter he was from 2002-2006?

Is CroCop, after an even more punishing fighting life consisting of over 100 matches in K-1, amateur boxing and MMA, even 70% of what he was in 2003? Mirko is a striker; his reflexes, as with anyone else’s, dull over time.

I can safely say; both men in their primes were a hell of a lot more impressive – and well rounded – than Brock Lesnar, and Shane Carwin.

Because from what Brock/Shane taught me, the UFC term “New Breed of Heavyweight” is codeword for “huge wrestlers with no cardio”. And to me, that’s not new breed – we had Mark Kerr in 1997.

Only Kerr also had success in ADCC too. He had legit submission skills.

I’ll take a BJJ wizard with great boxing (Nogueira) and a K-1 killing machine with exceptional takedown defense, reflexes and sprawls (Mirko) any day of the week, over this fantastic, mythical new breed of heavyweight that the Zuffa UFC hype machine blathers on about… absolutely pathetic, transparent garbage, and it’s a tragedy that so many fans fall for it. I’d take prime Nogueira with his insane skillset, and prime Filipovic, Pride’s Croatian Sensation, any day of the week.

I’d also prefer to have those names (circa 2002-2006) on my resume, in my wins column.

Lets look at some more fun facts; for all the New Breed propaganda, does the UFC even have the best selection of Heavyweights out there? Let’s compare the current UFC Heavyweight roster to Strikeforce, the org that the dastardly UFC-ducking-coward Fedor actually signed to.

UFC:

Lesnar – huge wrestler has proved to be vulnerable both to punches and submissions.

Carwin – huge wrestler, immense KO power, but slow and zero cardio.

Mir – hugely talented BJJ artist, not the sturdiest chin, far inferior overall to Fedor

Duffee – huge, unproven, could not finish Mike Russow before being KO’d

JDS – great striker (not quite prime CroCop, though) not proven on the ground

Cain – best of the bunch so far. Personally, I doubt he could KO or decision Fedor though.

Strikeforce:

Fedor

Overeem – the REAL new breed; 6’5, 250+lbs of K-1 striking, ADCC level grappling

Werdum – exceptional BJJ, most dangerous heavyweight submission artist fulltime in MMA

Silva – huge, talented striker, good grappling, and well rounded

Rogers – the least well rounded of the bunch, but huge KO power, decent brawler

Kharitonov – completely well rounded; great chin, tremendous boxing, excellent throws, good submission game.

Barnett – one of the deepest HW resumes in history; great catch/submission wrestler

Arlovski – went 3-0 in UFC before leaving to face Fedor – went 0-3 afterwards

Gracie – if he stays in MMA full time, we will be treated to the current king of BJJ

So you decide. Did Fedor REALLY duck “top competition” when he chose to decline the dictator’s UFC contract, and sign with Strikeforce?

In my opinion – and that’s all it is – he chose to add a huge weight to the swollen ranks of the best heavyweight roster in Mixed Martial Arts right now; the stacked Strikeforce, with its 206lbs+ murderer’s row.

Wow, this ended up being a fact-laden voyage. Perhaps if I slow down my typing and switch the stimulants for depressants, next time…

In closing, comradrés, I bid you adieu. This feature is solely the opinions of myself, and – I’m pretty sure – those of the guys at my forum! But don’t take the word of anyone professing to be an MMA writer as gospel; not Helwani, not Rossen, Rios and the girls, not anyone here… hell, don’t even believe me.

Just do the research, and make up your own minds.

This article is dedicated to Team Takeover, and to the Greatest Professional Fighter in the short history of Mixed Martial Arts,  Fedor Emelianenko.

Teamtakeover.forum-express.com – join a legit debate about MMA. I’d like to shout-out my partner Lane, his pal Pips, and all the guys at Team Takeover who see beyond the propaganda and bullshit, and who have restored my faith in the MMA fan.

The one who doesn’t fall, doesn’t stand up.

It’s been emotional.

Fletch.

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99 Comments

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    Jamie Kennedy

    August 31, 2010 at 6:47 am

    wow great article fletch, i myself see strikeforce as having a better HW roster, but they dont get/ recieve the same publicity as the UFC HWs, its no illusion who has more marketibilty between UFC / Strikeforce, as strikeforce is only starting out, i hope they can gain more attention and depth to all their weight divisions as they are lack potential in that department, i also hope Japanese organisation like DREAM and Sengoku can add to their publicity/ marketability/ Roster and create a modern era Pride lets face it MMA needs it, i am a fan of UFC but they need the competition and so do the fans

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    Spyridon

    August 31, 2010 at 7:17 am

    I think this article is very 1-sided.

    It’s not very fair to call Crocop and Noguiera past their prime, and insist that Fedor is not as well. He was a part of the same “era”.

    The problem people have with Fedor is simply that he has not fought the same level of competition that he did in the Pride days. It’s hard to say he is still holding the #1 spot when we have not seen him fight the majority of the fighters in the top 5-10 at the moment. He hasnt even fought the top guy in his promotion!

    I dont blame Fedor though. I blame his management. They have been taking fights such as Rogers and Werdum, who in a best case scenario, don’t really do anything to improve his legacy if he wins, but in a worst case scenario put some tarnish on his legacy – such as his loss to Werdum. That’s simply a bad management decision.

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    Spyridon

    August 31, 2010 at 7:19 am

    Forgot to mention – The shameless promotion of other sites I’m sure is not very appreciated here.

    And you can’t say “did Fedor really duck competition by signing with Strikeforce” when he has not accepted fights with the top competition of Strikeforce.

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    Joey Santosus

    August 31, 2010 at 7:33 am

    Interesting how you fail to fairly, or accurately, describe UFC Heavyweights…. I will use just one example that does enough in itself to illustrate my point. Frank Mir is described as “far inferior overall to Fedor.” True? False? Who knows, but that offers nothing of substance. Speaking of substance, I wonder what else you have been sharing with Whitney Houston? As for the rest…. I stopped reading at that point : )

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    postmortem

    August 31, 2010 at 8:50 am

    first off you dont make yourself sound intelligent or mature by calling other people stupid or retarded. you have alot more in common with dana white than you think. second you are extremly bias you give huge props to guys like big nog and cro cop while they were in pride but not to guys like mir cain and jds who have recently destroyed them. third youre assesment of strikeforce HW’s was flawed
    Overreem only three fights at heavy weight with brett rogers being the toughest of them all. fujita and buentello were solid top twenty fighters five years ago but now lucky to be in the top fifty. rogers resides in the back end of the top twenty. nor have we seen how the massive wieght gain has affected his cardio my gues is he will gass as quick or quicker than carwin. i am not sure how you can call him the top hw in the world. Werdum is probaly the best HW bjj artist in the bussiness however he has proven to have sub par striking and a questionable chin. to finish it of if you were better informed you might know that roger gracie fights at 205 not HW. the thing i do agree with you on is fedor is the greatest HW of all time and has never ducked the ufc he obviously has his own agenda abd that is to promote M-1.

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    Kackvogel

    August 31, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    great article!!!
    i agree that the UFC is overhyping the most of their fights/fighters and i dont understand why they are so agressive/unfair against other organisations and fighters!!! for sure the UFC have the deapest roster today and give us fans good fights, but i am not a fan of their buisness model!! its all about money!!! for me its about a good show/fights! and in strikeforce/dream/bellator ….etc. i can see alot of great fights to!!!

    if all this organisations would work friendly together like in europe the champions leauge it would be the best MMA sport ever …this is MMA what every fan want to see!!!

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    azzkika

    August 31, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    The UFC HW’s and Strikeforces HW’s overall are probably not much different, though IMO Fedor is the GHWOAT. Some fighters age well some dont. How Fedor ages remains to be seen, but he cant go jumping into BJJ experts guards like he did against Werdum. But there isn’t a single UFC HW I have seen that comes close to Fedor in terms of quality other than Cain.
    Brock has great wrestling, Carwin great 3 and half minutes of swinging like a crazy man, JDS has decent stand up etc etc. All of them have major holes in their games and are a million miles behind most other divisions which have many well rounded fighters.

    But the problem is that UFC utilises what it has very well. It hypes up its fights so when the fans see 2 meatheads going at it they believe they really are the greatest out there. Whereas strikeforce doesn’t put on as many events or utilise their roster very well. We will probably get to see Fedor/Overeem next year, and Overeem with all his bulk is dangerous but I reckon he still has a dodgy jaw so I go with Fedor on that and still IMO #1 HW on the planet.

    I could be wrong of course who knows. If he fought every UFC HW now, I wouldnt expect him to win every one of them as anyone can lose on a given night, but if he won them all I wouldn’t be surprised either.

    Irrespective of that though, there is such hypocrisy from DW who calls himself a fan then does everything he can to denounce Fedors achievements. A fake, a phoney and a farce is how DW described Fedor after losing to Werdum. REALLY? I dont know if DW is doing the businessman thing on this one or if he really believes his own words, but if anything that is farcicle it was Carwin/Lesnar. Exciting definately, there is something of a spectacle seeing 2 huge men go at it full on, but in MMA terms they both near the bottom of any p4p list as p4p lists is a reflection of their all round MMA ability and there they both fall way short.

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    Spyridon

    August 31, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    I dont believe anything Dana says. But I do come to my own conclusions (and if ur curious u can see what I mentioned in my comments above).

    I dont think Dana ruined anything about Fedors reputation…. noone cares what Dana says with how many things hes said that werent true.

    The only damage to Fedors reputation was directly from his management. That’s the messed up part. His own management tarnished his legacy more than Dana White ever could.

    I know you said that he wants to stick with his company and that hes not ducking fighters and all that…

    But come on man. His management wouldnt even let him fight the top competition in Strikeforce! It’s not Fedor ducking competition, he said himself he lets Vadim handle everything for him. it’s his MANAGEMENT that’s ducking the competition.

    Nothing anyone says will change the fact that his management has argued with nearly every opponent SF tried to put him against, and selected every opponent for him. None of those selections have been the top guys.

    You cant continue your legacy as the best ever if your management team wont let you fight the best.

    Screw his management team. People are so upset about “Dana White ruining his legacy” when all Dana can do is talk. Actions speak louder than words. What happens in the ring is all that matters in his legacy, and what happens in the ring is the only thing that really has the capacity to ruin his legacy.

    And what has happened in the ring his last few fights? He went against people that werent the best. He lost to a guy that wasnt even on most top 10 HW lists at the time.

    I say it again – That hurts Fedors legacy more than Dana White ever could.

    Your so angry with Dana, when the management – and specifically Vadim – are the ones you should be upset with..

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    Jipa

    August 31, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    The amount of bias is staggering. Its never a good idea to mix memories and emotions with thinking, and thats exactly what you are doing here.

    First of all, you rate the fighters solely on your personal emotion. You claim Fedor to be so great because he’s beat “[former] UFC champions, Olympians, Pride champs, K-1 champions, Grand Prix winners in both K-1 and MMA (Pride), ADCC champs, Rings champs” This is just insane. Its like saying Fedor is the greatest sportsman alive because he beat Ronaldo, Gretzky and Federer in his own sport, MMA. This is mixed martial arts, man, not a lifetime achievement contest. Gandhi was a great man but I’m pretty sure I could take him out in a ring.

    Fedor did beat all those guys, and at one point of time he was the absolute king of the planet. Everyone knows that. No one is trying to deny his legacy, well, except for Dana While, but, hey, he’s promoting his shit and making money off it so I dont blame the guy. I’d do the very same in his position.

    You can rage on about how much YOU think all UFC fighters suck and SF fighters own the living hell out of them, but all recorded evidence says otherwise. Gonzaga KO’d CroCop in his next match after losing to Fedor. But you claim he was over the hill at that point. Of course you have a stronger case with Nog, but in the end you cant prove anything. To Fedor nuthuggers you are speaking the truth, to haters you are making excuses. To me you dont have proof of anything you say.

    If you look into these things objectively, what you obviously have no intention of doing, you’d understand that if you leave all personal opinions aside, all speculation, you’d end up living in a world where all Fedor’s wins have already been topped, all his accomplishments have already been repeated. All the guys he has beat are not top competition. The guy he lost to a few months ago was KO’d by UFC’s top contender in his last UFC bout. Werdum might be one of the most accomplished ADCC players ever, but the fact is he aint the best in MMA.

    Brock Lesnar is the number one heavyweight at this point. You can praise everyone’s skillset, you can point at every fighters flaws, but at the end of the day it doesnt mean jack shit. What matters is what has happened in the cage; Fedor got subbed, Lesnar outlasted Carwin’s onslaught, JDS knocked Werdum clean out, all old dogs from Pride have been beaten and havent come back to the top.

    Do I think Lesnar is a better mixed martial artist than Fedor? Who the hell cares who I think would win? I can try to predict whose skillset is better than whose, but MMA doesnt work that way. A fight is a fight, and there is a thousand and one ways to win and lose a fight. All we know for sure is what has already happened, and everything else is arguing and guessing.

    That’s all. For now.

    -Jipa

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    partyboy

    August 31, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    couldnt agree more, his analysis of the ufc fighters is unbelievably bias

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    Drago

    August 31, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Man, this is a long one sided article. By the end of it, we know you dont like the UFC and clearly you “love” Fedor, making your article bias to say the least. It was nicely written thou, you have some talent and flair with words ill give you that…

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    BUMWRECKER

    August 31, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    I honestly get annoyed with people saying UFC HW div actually that strong… I mean look how he bullet points every fighter…
    Lesnar – huge wrestler has “proved to be vulnerable both to punches” how about…. has a good chin? and submissions.
    JDS – great striker (not quite prime CroCop, though) not proven on the ground but KO’ed Werdum his first fight….

    then he says…
    Werdum – exceptional BJJ, most dangerous heavyweight submission artist fulltime in MMA and doesnt point out anything hes weak in…. like he did UFC fighters…. hmm….. seems like hating…
    I’m personally a fan of mma…. and dont care what organization has who… i just like watching good fights…

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    HunterB

    August 31, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    this article is a fedor nuthugger’s dream

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    Jizzle11

    August 31, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    I have one word for you… FANBOY

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    Stiks

    August 31, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    I think, I THINK, the poster loves Fedor.

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    griffin

    August 31, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    i would love to see Fedor vs Cain. Both same size heavyweight that are very well rounded….if this guy is trying to say that strikeforce fighters are better than UFC fights then thats ridiculous. Half of SF are UFC wash ups

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    JaytheBrit

    August 31, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    i can agree with 99% of this but junior dos santos not proven.
    he knocked out Fabricio Werdum who submitted the great fedor.
    walked thru gonzaga Gilbert Yvel…has a record of 12-1
    has remarkable stamina striking and also has 2 submission. his take down defense is so good u tend not to see him on his back and if u do he bounces back up. i think this article is overly biased and discredits a lot of ufc fighters sum which i agree with and others like junior dos santos.

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    pound4pound

    August 31, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    I think he said unproven on the ground.

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    Conan

    August 31, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    For sure the article is very biased and one sided, but this is called a promotion. One biased article is not going to hurt, it is only one among all pro-UFC articles hating Fedor. The UFC hyping its fighters, so should SF.
    But one thing I agree with the article and I said that before. Until the UFC top competition fight each other, I don’t see it being the top competition. I could see the winner Brock/Cain is the top competion, but not before. Before Brock’s fight, Shane was considered the top competition, but after he gassed, not anymore, good cardio makes a huge difference.

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    Conan

    August 31, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    I did not see him prove himself yet. Werdum made a big mistake underestimating him as a rockie, if they meet now, I don’t think that JSD would get out that easy. Gonzaga was beating too many times by KO. Yvel was too old not exactly a top 10. JDS could not finish deeply depressed Cro Cop who was not even fighting. Roy Nelson gave him a good fight.
    I think JDS is a big prospect in MMA, but he has not proven himself yet. After taking Brock/Cain, I would agree that he is the best HW.

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    Ballsack

    August 31, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    I just have to say great article. I’m gonna paraphrase James Toney, “How the hell can that guy [Brock] be a champ with 5 matches in total”. He’s got a damn good point. Love it.

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    Conan

    August 31, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    I would disagree. He received the title shot too early with old Couture, but he still defended his title against Mir and Shane. I think that he is a legitimate champion.

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    DanielFletcher

    August 31, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Thanks for the feedback guys.

    Feel free to post this for my friends at sherdog – I’m currently enjoying a lifelong IP ban. I’m sure the HW forum and Contenders aka “Fedortenders” forum alike would appreciate it.

    Sincerely,

    Vadim

    (jk)

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    Ballsack

    August 31, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Yeah. He might be. If you take in to consideration that everything the UFC does they do because of $$. In other words, it’s business. So within the frames of the integrity of the ranking system in the UFC. Sure, he’s legit.

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    Ballsack

    August 31, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    The UFC tries to squeeze off all competition that could possibly shed some objective perspective to the greatness of their champs, so of course they will continue their ban of everybody else that aren’t a part of the regime.

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    Ballsack

    August 31, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    They rather close down Fedor’s sponsors by threatening them. They rather see the man broke than to have him demonstrate his superiority. They can’t allow any breach in the hull of their scheme and illusion over their casual fans. Too many times have I discussed with UFC fans. You can’t reason with them. They buy everything Dana says. If I ask them why and exactly *why* are the UFC fighters best. They all say “because they’re in the UFC”. Trying to reason with these guys is like shoving a needle through a rock.

    Unless they’re allowed to fight guys from other organizations, so that we can see them fight in some sort of inter-organizational arena like they do in all other sports (champions league for example, diamond league and so on), then we can’t know if they’re that good. I mean they’re only that good within their own habitat so to speak. It’s a known fact that already 7 former champs have fallen outside the UFC, and so why should we believe their current champs are any better.

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    truthaboutmma

    August 31, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    UFC HW fighters are overrated hype, all of them(see recent performances from frank mir, shane carwin, and brock lesnar). Cain is the only legit HW the UFC has. Brock is 4-1 hype, carwin is a juicer with no cardio and slow as an ox. Hes dangerous for the first 5 minutes of the fight, if you can just survive(see lesnar vs carwin) you can win. Lesnar is overrated..why? His claim to fame: beating a 50 year old man, a washed up (taken advantage of by dana white) heath herring, mir(hype-see his record), and carwin(see above)..what a joke. Guess whos’ the future of the division UFC fans? ROY BIG COUNTRY NELSON!!!!!!

    “YEEE HAWWW! GO AMERICA!!!!” After all we all know UFC fan boys are just corporate sausage sucking ignorant nationalists. “GO USA!!!!!! nevermind who the better fighter is… Oh that guy, hes from russia, hes from brazil,, he sucks,,, CARWIN RULES GO USA!!!! HARLEY DAVIDSON!!!!! YEEE HAWW! LOOK IM WEARING A TAPOUT SHIRT BUT I DONT TRAIN!!!!! BUDWEISER BABY!!!! I LOVE BUDWEISER even though it tastes like WATERED DOWN PISS WATER compared to real beer, *slurp slurp* this UFC schlong tastes great”

    I remember them saying Roy Nelson is becoming more and more of a threat, and hypeing the crap out of him. The JDS fight proved that neither man has serious knockout power (werdum is not known for his granite chin). Do you really think JDS or Roy could stand in front of a devastating striker like fedor with their LACK OF HEAD MOVEMENT? Go watch the JDS fight, check out his dome the whole fight, Fedor would crack him with his whip punches multiple times, JDS would fall and his lack of ground game would be exposed as he is unable to recover guard before being knocked unconcious by massive ground and pound from fedor. UFC is a business, businesses thrive on marketing. Pride was a business as well, but the samurai spirit lived in Japan. So the marketing was always about skill set vs skill set, not about being American and sucking but still getting on TV because your American or still getting on TV because you connect with the 18-25 male base via your pre-fight shit talking and attitude(see long list of TUF nobodies).

    Strikeforce: Overeem would murder lesnar right now. Big foot silva is a question mark, but i think his head movement is too poor, i predict if he fights fedor, fedor will crack him and ko/tko him. I dont consider arlovski relevant after fedor ENDED HIS CAREER, hes never been the same since. Same for big not, fedor ended his career as well. There are some guys that are good fighters, some guys that are flashy, then there are guys who end careers, guys who are truly dangerous. They change a fighters outlook, take their spirit. Fedor is a spirit taker, the UFC simply does not have anyone of that caliber in HW-with the possible exception of Cain, but time will tell in his case.

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    truthaboutmma

    August 31, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    UFC HW fighters are overrated hype, all of them(see recent performances from frank mir, shane carwin, and brock lesnar). Cain is the only legit HW the UFC has. Brock is 4-1 hype, carwin is a juicer with no cardio and slow as an ox. Hes dangerous for the first 5 minutes of the fight, if you can just survive(see lesnar vs carwin) you can win. Lesnar is overrated..why? His claim to fame: beating a 50 year old man, a washed up (taken advantage of by dana white) heath herring, mir(hype-see his record), and carwin(see above)..what a joke. Guess whos’ the future of the division UFC fans? ROY BIG COUNTRY NELSON!!!!!!

    “YEEE HAWWW! GO AMERICA!!!!” After all we all know UFC fan boys are just corporate sausage sucking ignorant nationalists. “GO USA!!!!!! nevermind who the better fighter is… Oh that guy, hes from russia, hes from brazil, so he sucks! CARWIN RULES GO USA!!!! HARLEY DAVIDSON!!!!! WOOO BUDDYYYYY! LOOK IM WEARING A TAPOUT SHIRT BUT I DONT TRAIN!!!!! BUDWEISER BABY!!!! I LOVE BUDWEISER even though it tastes like WATERED DOWN PISS WATER compared to real beer, *slurp slurp* this UFC schlong tastes great! LUMBER LIQUIDATORS!!!! WOOOO BUDDYYY!!!”

    I remember them saying Roy Nelson is becoming more and more of a threat, and hypeing the crap out of him. The JDS fight proved that neither man has serious knockout power (werdum is not known for his granite chin). Do you really think JDS or Roy could stand in front of a devastating striker like fedor with their LACK OF HEAD MOVEMENT? Go watch the JDS fight, check out his dome the whole fight, Fedor would crack him with one of those insane ‘throw from the hip’ overhand rights, JDS would crumble and his lack of ground game would be exposed as he is unable to recover guard before being knocked unconcious by massive ground and pound from fedor. UFC is a business, businesses thrive on marketing. Pride was a business as well, but the samurai spirit lived in Japan. So the marketing was always about skill set vs skill set, not about being American and sucking but still getting on TV because your American or still getting on TV because you connect with the 18-25 male base via your pre-fight shit talking and attitude(see long list of TUF nobodies). These guys would have all got kneed to a pulp by crocop in Japan in his prime, or murdered by a juiced up rabid wanderlei silva fighting AT HEAVYWEIGHT, HEAVYWEIGHT. Its not the same class of fighters. But damn they do look badass standing next to the smoke machine in the dimmly-lit black room, with water sprayed on their foreheads to make them look tough and sweaty, that super camera zoom in on their face while their making a mean face. UFC is a formula that favors money/marketing over talent. Why should dana give a shite about fedor when he can market ROY F’ING NELSON and get more ppv’s? Thats the difference between the now dead pride and the UFC. Pride used to have tournaments where a fighter would fight MORE THAN ONE TIME in a night, can you imagine that in the UFC? Can you imagine Dana risking an investment like that…he would never take that much of a risk for the love of the sport. The UFC is bad for the sport whether you agree or not doesn’t matter, it is a fact. The tournament scenario will never be resurrected again.

    Strikeforce: Fedor/Overeem would murder lesnar right now. Big foot silva is a question mark, but i think his head movement is too poor, i predict if he fights fedor, fedor will crack him and ko/tko him. I dont consider arlovski relevant after fedor ENDED HIS CAREER, hes never been the same since. Same for big not, fedor ended his career as well. There are some guys that are good fighters, some guys that are flashy, then there are guys who end careers, guys who are truly dangerous. They change a fighters outlook, take their fighting spirit. Fedor is a spirit taker, the UFC simply does not have any HW’s of that caliber-with the possible exception of Cain, but time will tell in his case.

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    truthaboutmma

    August 31, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    please read my second post, the first one was a mistake and left out a bunch of stuff, such as discussion of the tournament format

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    skippitydodah

    August 31, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    all you fedor fans seem to forget that fabricio werdum was kicked out of the ufc because of losses. To even try and compare the strikeforce hw division to the ufc’s is like trying to compare a huffy to a haro

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    Rigo

    August 31, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    What a Great Article , you sure did your research , as much as i like watching the UFC , i dont believe they are doing what they are doing for the sports or the fans , its all about the money.

    they got Pride in 2007 only to make it vanish and bring the fighters to the UFC brandname. instead of co promote with their own company and make Dream fights for the fans.

    its obvious they only want to control the entire MMA industry.
    and offcourse they try time and time again to make Fedor look bad ,
    if you remember he used to talk tons of Shit of Kimbo when he was fighting on EliteXC , and when he got into TUF they Change the rules!
    so if Kimbo lose he would have stay in the house anyway!

    then he lost and they keep him around saying Hes learning some ground game hes learning!!! and after Dana said the only way to Kimbo enter the UFC is winning TUF! he went 0-1 on Tuf and still made it to the UFC.

    how funny that he was a piece of shit until he enter the UFC then it was a potential fighter.

    another example would be Brock Lesnar, Co Main event on his debut
    after Mir beat him he got and instant title fight with the then Interim Champion big Nog because Randy wasent in the UFC.
    so Mir’s price was the interim fight for defeating Brock 1-0

    then when the Champ Randy comes back , instead of making Nog vs Randy like they should , or even wait for Mir vs Nog to fight and then get the Interim Champ vs the Champ

    they jump this 2 guys on the top , to give the real Title fight to Lesnar 2-1 who just rebound from a lost with a decision win over Heath Hearring top 15 at best heavyweight.
    Now thats freaking deserving!! oh yeah not only that they hype the fight as the Biggest Heavyweight Fight in UFC History! they make it so fast and quick they even fight Before Nog and Mir!!!!!!!!

    so he got the title fight with 2-1 and 1-1 in the UFC .
    now i acknowledge hes very fast and very good wrestler
    but he didnt deserve the title fight period.

    so anyone who believe the bullshit Dana makes of Fedor its just not a real MMA fan , probably you start watching MMA after 2007.
    and thats ok , but dont argue otherwise about Fedors Legacy that he made after 10 long years!! 5 of those 10 fighting in the biggest and baddest organization to ever exist PRIDEFC and went undefeated.

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    DanielFletcher

    August 31, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    I wonder why “Axis-dog”, “mma-stinker” and “yankee doodle” organisation were edited to “sherdog”, “mmalinker” and “American doodle”, respectively?

    Come on lowkick. It’s all about controversy. Dont be scared to let me label these twatty forums and their “journalists” for what they are!!!!!!!!!!

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    truthaboutmma

    August 31, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    For a mango lose ONE fight in his career to the best off-the-back in artist in mms via submission does not make you suck. Guys that good off their back can catch everyone, obviously you don’t train.

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    truthaboutmma

    August 31, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Typo: man to

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    truthaboutmma

    August 31, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Crap, typing on an iPhone sucks: for a man to lose ONE fight in his whole career via submission from the back to the best off the back bij artist in mms does not make one suck. Guys that good can submit anyone.

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    Drago

    August 31, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    @truthaboutmma: the cold war has ended dude, just let it go…

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    truthaboutmma

    August 31, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    wtf r you talking about

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    truthaboutmma

    August 31, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    im from america, not russia.

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    truthaboutmma

    August 31, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    you talk about history, but you got the fights totally wrong. Crocop had several fights after the fedor fight dum dum.

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    dropkickmurphy

    August 31, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Awesome article Fletch.

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    Cookie77

    August 31, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    Unfortunately MMA is a big business. Dana White is a businessman hence he down grades Fedor achievement cause basically Fedor is the main draw card to the opposing organisation. I don’t want to be a jerk off but lets us all face it, the UFC is the biggest MMA organisation. However it does not mean that they have the best fighters fighting in the organisation, I’m referring to of course the marketing of the Brand “UFC” (now they have there own clothing line, training center, TV show, fighting equipment, drinks, etc).

    Now lets face the facts, Fedor is not over the hill he is only 33 and if you look up some of the top HW fighters in both organisation you will notice that there ages are close to one another about 5 to 10 years apart (dos Santos is only 25). In a perfect world MMA organisation would let fighters fight one another in joint promotions BUT this is not a perfect world and MMA is a business and NO ONE wants to share…

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    truthaboutmma

    August 31, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    precisely right, thats what most noobs to mma fail to realize. I’ve been watching since Sakuraba CAME on the scene. So many have no history of the sport, shameful that all they know is strikeforce and the UFC, perhaps affliction.

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    Conan

    August 31, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    It would answer all the questions if there was a tournament the UFC HW vs SF HW. Dana White claims the UFC HW are the best, so he has nothing to worry about than.

    UFC – Brock, Shane, JDS, Mir and Cain
    vs
    SF – Fedor, Overeem, Silva, Werdum and Arlovski/Rogers

    Fedor vs Brock
    Overeem vs Cain
    Werdum vs JDS
    Arlovski vs Mir
    Rogers vs Carwin

    it would be intersting to see.

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    Ballsack

    August 31, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    It sure would. I would love to see that happen, but here is the problem:
    As I wrote in a prior message:

    They rather close down Fedor’s sponsors by threatening them. They rather see the man broke than to have him demonstrate his superiority. They can’t allow any breach in the hull of their scheme and illusion over their casual fans. Too many times have I discussed with UFC fans. You can’t reason with them. They buy everything Dana says. If I ask them why and exactly *why* are the UFC fighters best. They all say “because they’re in the UFC”. Trying to reason with these guys is like shoving a needle through a rock.

    Unless they’re allowed to fight guys from other organizations, so that we can see them fight in some sort of inter-organizational arena like they do in all other sports (champions league for example, diamond league and so on), then we can’t know if they’re that good. I mean they’re only that good within their own habitat so to speak. It’s a known fact that already 7 former champs have fallen outside the UFC, and so why should we believe their current champs are any better.

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    MMAEXPERT21

    August 31, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Good article , while the UFC fighters may look underrated on this article and by dislike to many , you are failing to miss the point of the article itself

    its more about the UFC hype machine that it is , more than the real skills of their fighters.
    The point make in this article is very solid. the UFC its a business organization more than anything else.

    its like any other corporation trying to get rib of the competition by attacking their strongest points. The fact that Strikeforce has the best MMA fighter to date , its only going to make UFC as the biggest organization with the majority of the best fighters.

    while the UFC motto may be the best fighters and champions of the world under the same roof and cage, the truth is there’s no such thing in the sport of MMA. the UFC may have the highly majority of them.

    but there will be always a few who are in, since theres other organizations and promotions trying to build themself and expend the world of MMA.

    Now im not saying Fedor is the Best pound for pound fighter in the world , but he used to be , and hes probably very close to still be.
    if he would only fight more times during the year and the right opponents to make it clear.

    after all that title is meaning less and pointless since there’s no clear way to define this with so many great fighters and Champions distribute around the world, and the fact that the sport and fighters are changing constantly.

    p4p fighter would be the one who completely dominates every single top opponent for a considerable amount of time.
    while many will say Anderson Silva is the one , the truth is he has hardly fall down to come close to that title since UFC 82.

    Georges St-Pierre would be the most clear choice since hes been fighting top competition and dominating each one of them with out even giving them the chance to fell close to defeat him.
    but he has hardly sharp his stand up and fail to deliver a finish in recent fights.

    Jose Aldo would be another nominated , he’s skills outclass every fighter in his division and for now no one seems to be getting close to him , we will now for sure in the next year.

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    mons

    August 31, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    I don’t anybody is disputing Fedor’s achievements during the Pride days. He WAS the best at that time because he was fighting the best.

    Right now, I cannot say the same for Fedor. M-1 is demanding something from the UFC that they know will never happen and they are trying to make it look like UFC is making it difficult for any agreement to be made. UFC’s business model is plain and simple. Sign up for the UFC and fight for the UFC until the end of your contract. Now, if Fedor signs up, I’m sure the UFC will promote the hell out of him and make as much money as they can. I don’t think the UFC are dumb enough to do what Strikeforce is doing by focusing on the fighter that they feel is marketable and downplaying the other fighter. This has happened with Jake Shields, King Mo, Lashley, etc.

    UFC is not afraid of Fedor walking through the UFC heavyweights because once he signs up as a UFC fighter, then they will treat him just like how they treat Brock Lesnar, Cain, etc. And if he happens to walk through all of them then retires, then I can only see Dana declaring him as the best ever and he wouldnt have a problem with that if Fedor signs up as a UFC fighter and not as an M-1 outsider who is invading UFC.

    Brock and Cain are the top dogs right now so Fedor should be fighting them just like how he used to do it during the Pride days and not hide behind the M-1 skirt IF he still wants to be considered as the best as of this time. He was the best but who can say he is still the best when he has not fought any top competition recently.

    At the end of the day, UFC could care less about his legacy. It’s all about who makes the most money. And right now, with or without Fedor, nobody can beat or even come close to the UFC.

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    mons

    August 31, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Also, Brock is the main draw and not Fedor. The only people who knows about Fedor are the hardcore fans from the beginning like us but Brock is bringing with him so much attention from other fanbase which is why he can easily do 1M PPV buys during his last 2 fights. Fedor cant even do 200k for Affliction

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    TheMMAfan

    August 31, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Unbelievable article. Put all my thoughts into words, keep up the good work Fletch

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    falcon4917

    August 31, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    I do agree that it is a huge biased article. I agree that Fedor is the best heavy so far to have graced mma but I am not sure he is still capable of holding on to that status right now. Maybe he can. I definetly do not see him as the best fighter to have ever lived but at heavy he definetly is. Fedor cannot pull the same tactics of say the 145ers in wec so to say he’s the best fighter of any weight is probably false and just emotional comments at their pinnacle. He is the most skilled heavy but leave it at that as we don’t know if he would be able to compete with the fighting speed, accuracy, timing(maybe timing),cardio and mental focus required to deal with the lighter divisions. You could say best legacy.

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    TheRealDeal

    August 31, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    I’m with you guys on this one…. Also can I have the condensed version, please? Too many MMA “experts” in the room all at once….

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    YoMama

    August 31, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    Here it is in a nut shell. If you want to fancy yourself the best fighter then you have to fight the best fighters… Right? Well as far as I can see Fedors management wants to give him some pretty safe fights as of late. There is certainly no disagreement on his talents, I think he is great, but I also think that he needs to be a little more in controll and say hey f*** you idiots I wanna fight, whom ever he sees as the best. Not who everyone thinks is the best. Lesnar is definately not the best neither Mir nor Velasquez. But they sure are better than the last 10 fighters he has faced.
    I posed the question a few months back to name five fighters Fedor has faced that are or have been top ranked fighters but now I see that the way they are ranked is very biased anyway. So tell me this… In his time with Strikeforce who has he faced that could beat Couture, Mir, Velasquez, or JDS.
    People bag on the UFC but then they also fail to also acknowledge the true talent that is there.

    Yes people I included Randy Couture because it is my dream fight for Fedor. Randy is a smart fighter and that is why he wins so much, that is why I would love to see these two go at it!

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    ragnarwins

    September 1, 2010 at 12:01 am

    If we are going to start comparing primes again fine. Tyson vs. Ali. blah blah blah. Yes, all the fighters of the Pride time were better THEN than even the best of the new breed NOW. The problem is that we live in the now and realistically Brock and some of the other guys are taking the older guys apart. I do agree Alistar is probably the best right now and most well rounded. Training and fighters are like technology. It just keeps advancing. 2004, 8 mp cameras were the cream of the crop now we are dealing with 24 mp and more. An 8mp camera (or 2004 fighter) will still do a great job today but it just doesn’t fit the standards of what is needed today to compete.

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    FinishIt

    September 1, 2010 at 12:26 am

    totally agree, Fletch take ur own advice and go “f*** ur life.” If your going to rant about Fedor being talked down at least be more of a man and prove it without going to the “lows” of the UFC propaganda. Fedor is great yes, but for u to label Overeem as a true “New breed” and not Lesnar, Carwin, Cain, JDS, Mir etc. Then maybe u need to go back and look over all that footage again because i think u may have been stoned. U have a nice blog filled with misused arguments and throwing in witty commentary desgined to focus on the anti UFC, Fedor **** sucking fans. The fact is, this is a combat sport, we need ONE main organization with the worlds top fighters all competing to be in it, and then work their way up against everyone. UFC may have many flaws yes, but it is a buisness, look at boxing, u think thats not? U think Don King isnt more of a greedy prick than Dana? F*** Fedor simply for not going into the UFC and proving himself against these top guys in their prime, i dont care what u say, he f***ing ducked. I hate it too, i am a HUGE Fedor fan, which is why i want to see him in the UFC. Id love to see him KO brock. But he wouldnt due to promotional issues. which is b.s. He says hes a fighter and then he asks for money. Thats lame. Dont downplay the UFC guys or the organization, they are doing wonders for the sport, 5 years ago could u go to Walmart and buy MMA logo shirts? Do u understand the relation between economics and entertainment???? Nice blog, but next time try not to douche everywhere.

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    azzkika

    September 1, 2010 at 12:51 am

    I’d like to know who you think has repeated Fedors acomplishments as you claim. Seems you have alot of biased dribble also. No one in MMA has equalled his achievements yet. Some may, it’s an emerging sport, but not so far they haven’t. And the way you dismiss his opponents is pure ignorance and gullibility towards UFC hype.

    The UFC has outstanding quality in most of its divisions. (Middleweight is a little light), but the HW division is still awful by comparison.

    That does not mean there aren’t some good fighters among it, merely that it has a champ who fluked his last victory, the last contender couldnt last more than 3 and half minutes and most of its fighters are horribly one dimensional (Cain excepted).

    Now this isn’t a completely fair reflection I know, as some are emerging fighters and will improve, and some although one dimensional have a very good dimension to them, but my point is it aint all its cracked up to be, and just cos werdum got KO’d at the hands of a devastating puncher doesn’t mean half as much as some infer into it as Fedor subsequently lost to Werdum.

    If you really believe Brock is the best HW on the planet then IMO you are a deluded fool. I would fancy Overeem or Fedor to destroy him within couple of rounds max, though we’ll probably never know.

    But hey, anyone who has the balls to set foot in a cage deserves respect regardless of who they fight for so props to all HW’s and all other fighters for making the sport what it is. I may slag UFC HW’s generally in response to DW and others slagging off non UFC fighters, but I still enjoy MMA and UFC and everyone else should and stop buying into the hype as this article highlights and just accept the situation for how it is. The UFC has many top fighters but not all of them, and Fedors accomplishments havent been equalled by any HW, not by a long long way so just accept it until someone has.

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    bluntsandbeers

    September 1, 2010 at 12:54 am

    i hate MMA fans who think not liking the UFC makes you a hardcore fan like its suddenly fukin cool to not wacht he most entertaining fights.. lmao like seriously Team Takeover are a bunch of guys who know so much about MMA but then make themselves look ridiculous with this Zuffa Zombie nonsense(however clever the nickname may be)

    WE ALL GET IT WE HATE ZUFFA THEY MAKE BAD CHOICES FOR THE SPORT, AS FANS WE KNOW THIS. TEAM TAKEOVER IS NOT ENLIGHTINING THE WORLD WITH ANYTHING( you guys arnt MMA gods we know how corrupt the UFC is). but the fact of the matter is they have the best fighters in the world, sorry they dont have the best HeavyWeight but well.. thats life. ranting and raving like some MMA anti-UFC nazi isnt going to make dana change his mind lol. the fact is he is a deuche, and he does run his company like a money hungry ****head, but he promotes and holds good events. what more can you ask for? until dana white dies your going to have to suck it up.

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    azzkika

    September 1, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Carwin hit him once on his chin and he curled into a ball and fell backwards. The truth is out there if you care to observe it. LMAO

    Carwin didnt land much on his chin after he fell backwards many were glancing blows and none were clean enough to get the finish.

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    azzkika

    September 1, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Well written. And Fedor beat every UFC champ he ever fought.

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    azzkika

    September 1, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Name me how many fighters have fought 4 consecutive top ten opposition in UFC HW division? Fedor has. Now go do some research and come back with some facts to back up your claim. When in fact the UFC dont have all the best talent.

    Mir overrated, Look how he allowed Carwin to repeat hit him without moving his head. Awful. Couture great fighter, but really should be LHW. Cain, I do rate this guy, shows potential to be a great fighter. Brock steroid freak with some decent wrestling but little else.Carwin 3 and half minute wonder.

    See where I’m going with this? HW’s in general in UFC have question marks over them, half of the decent ones haven’t even fought each other yet and if you look at the ranking of most of their opponents then it does raise a serious question as to just how good they are, and with a talnt like fedor outside UFC who has beaten 4 ex UFC champs in his time, then IMO the best HW has never fought in UFC and that is that. So say UFC are best and believe the hype, I prefer to put a deeper analysis into my opinions.

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    bluntsandbeers

    September 1, 2010 at 1:16 am

    how can you think your going to be taken seriously on this site? we are MMA junkies and we hate biased. and you.. well your the most biased retard ive ever seen write an article. those descirptions of the UFC HWs is just halirous, you look retarted my man. absolutely retarted. nobody agrees with this nonsense unless they are on team takeover.

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    dropkickmurphy

    September 1, 2010 at 1:33 am

    All I want is to see the fights I want to see and Dana won’t let it happen because it will injure the Lesnar cash cow.

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    Plutonian

    September 1, 2010 at 1:46 am

    Great Article! it was a good read. I agree that Fedor is one of the greatest fighters of all time but like Nog and CroCop he may be past his prime now, the Werdum fight showed signs of this. Fedors management along with the UFC are both to blame for not giving Fedor the best competition. His recent opponents are definitely not the best options to solidify his top status. He needs to take on Overeem or Barnett to stay in the P4P mix.

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    ston3pony

    September 1, 2010 at 2:50 am

    He’s not fighting the top competition. It’s couldn’t really be more clear. He isn’t even fighting the best in SF, let alone the best in the world. This is why Bret Rogers got the title shot, not Fedor.

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    MMAMarco

    September 1, 2010 at 4:11 am

    I respect the great skills and ability of Fedor but I do think he is truly on the decline from his prime. He still has a lot to offer but is now far more beatable I believe. The man that will settle that is Alistar Overeem. Yes indeed Daniel, he has continued to evolve and develop into the TRUE New Breed of MMA! :)

    Mark my words that Overeem will clean up both outside the UFC and inside the UFC to become the first truly undisputed MMA Heavy Weight Champion of the World!

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    daigoro702

    September 1, 2010 at 5:31 am

    you make a lot of sense theres somne shady shit going on in the ufc, now you guys see why i call couturevs toney a set up that fight didnt prove shit

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    WingChun

    September 1, 2010 at 6:20 am

    This article could have been “considerably” shorter, by being more to the point. And the rambling & weird introduction, should never have made post; it’s just strange. “Tweaking the nipples of the MMA world”? “Attacking the propaganda”? etc…what was that all about, man?

    I’d also say that the author is neither witty, nor funny and should (just) stop trying (to be, so); just post the commentary…minus the bad attempts at humor…and be done with it.

    Personally Speaking – I just couldn’t get into the writing style.

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    DanielFletcher

    September 1, 2010 at 7:29 am

    ps – couldn’t help laughing at the 2nd comment from Rigo “wow great article, you sure did your research”.

    Thanks for the kind words, but believe me – I dont need to do research ;)

    I live and breathe MMA, I just need someone to pay me to cover it for a living now.

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    WingChun

    September 1, 2010 at 7:34 am

    @ JS

    If I was grading it, I wouldn’t pass it. There isn’t a magazine or serious sports website (ESPN, TSN et al) of any repute, that would post this tripe; it’s juvenile.

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    ston3pony

    September 1, 2010 at 7:59 am

    “Fedor being 7-0 (currently) against UFC champions = overrated.”

    Correction. 7-0 against UFC washouts and former champions. Bit of a difference there. There are LHW’s in the UFC who would beat him. IMO.

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    ston3pony

    September 1, 2010 at 8:00 am

    He’d have his hands full with Jon Jones.

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    ston3pony

    September 1, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Sorry, can’t even read your comments…

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    Drago

    September 1, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Dam, this thread is making “our” site look bad, maybe a moderator should intervene somehow…? Its starting to look like one of thous crappy MMA blogs, I guess we can thank the thread creator for that…

    Enough with this Fedor vs the UFC crap, we are all adults, we all know MMA and its politics, get over it and move on. Fedor is a great fighter and the UFC is the best organization. If you dont like Fedor, dont watch his fights. If you dont like the UFC, dont watch theire fights. If you dont like yourself, buy a gun and spare us of your crap, just dont come here and post some cliche bullshit that everyone is aware and try to pass it as something new and original, as if your enlightening someone or are revealing some lost secret…

    Loving/hating a man (Fedor) and/or and organization (UFC) you only know from watching it on tv, is the same shit as liking Paris Hilton and wanting to be her BFF, thats just retarded really…

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    Anton Gurevich

    September 1, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    I had to delete some stuff over here, including from the author himself.
    Everyone is welcome to express his opinions on LowKick.com, as it’s probably the only website around the net that allows fans to freely express their thoughts. But,

    We do have rules, and one of these rules is not to abuse any other member, and write in foul language on the website. Keep it civilized guys.

    Thanks

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    Drago

    September 1, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Well done mate, I think you did the right thing! Keep up the good job moderating and creating threads!

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    mons

    September 1, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Do you really think that the UFC will let go of Tim Sylvia, Arlovski and Werdum if they felt that they can still “hang” in the organization with the new crop of HWs? Fedor fought them when they became ex-UFC fighters.

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    Spyridon

    September 1, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    How is Dana White mocking Fedor comparable to “****ing your favorite sport”?

    Regardless, your response had absolutely nothing to do with my comments.

    My comments plainly stated that Fedors management damaged his legacy far more than words from anyone – including Dana White – possibly could.

    If your upset at a man for talking badly about someone for making your favorite fighter look bad, you are pretty mis-guided. No man out there is a fan of every single fighter, and talks shit about some fighter. Words dont mean anything.

    I say it again to stress the importance – Dana White does not have the power to do a damn thing to ruin Fedors legacy.

    It’s also kind of messed up to compare the UFC to a company that is trying to ruin the sport. You said yourself that you had to learn MMA was bigger than the UFC. That means UFC was the company that made MMA big enough that people such as you could discover MMA and realize it was your favorite sport.

    You should appreciate the company for what it does, and stop caring so much about one man in the companys personal feelings.

    If you want to respond, then at least respond as to why your not upset at Vadim and Fedors management for doing more damage to his career than Dana White ever did?

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    BUMWRECKER

    September 1, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    dude… go back… watch the fight again…. he smashed lesner worse then he did mir… worse then gonzaga… some of his ground and pound could be heard over the TV…. I know brock is still green.. in mma…. he still has the most impressive first 6 fights I’ve personally gotten to watch… and love him or hate him.. he hypes a fight like no other… his hype is what MMA needs….

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    BUMWRECKER

    September 1, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    he was actually asked to take a pay cut… not cut from UFC…. strikeforce needed some more known fighters and offered him more money then ufc did….

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    BUMWRECKER

    September 1, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    dont see M1 globel or strikeforce setting up shop in canada china NYC everyday… trying to broadin the market for everyone else… Dana is a douche but lets not be retarded here… UFC is making MMA more acceptable everywhere…

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    BUMWRECKER

    September 1, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    I would rather see
    champ vs champ…
    overeem vs brock
    cain vs fedor

    the match ups are more interesting…..

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    UKFarzan

    September 1, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Brilliant article. Only if all Brock/UFC nuthuggers could see things with an open mind like you can. Keep up the good work Fletch!

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    DanielFletcher

    September 1, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    So prime Rodrigo Nogueira was a washout?

    Andrei Arlovski on a 5 fight win streak, who left UFC willingly to chase Fedor, was a washout?

    **** off and never watch MMA again you useless ****ing bastard. It’s due to people like you that I wrote this article you ****ing imbecile ****.

    What a twat. **** off back to Axis-dog

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    DanielFletcher

    September 1, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Thanks for your worthwhile input you fool. This is a legitimate piece that highlights some very serious hypocrisies, and that horrendous issue that is the world’s largest org downplaying the legacy of the sports finest ever fighter.

    It is criminal that this can happen – and even worse when I get attacked for trying to point that out with a thought out article.

    How much do zuffa pay people to post these days? Or are post-TUF craze American fans genuinely that stupid?

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    DanielFletcher

    September 1, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Haha, I may have jumped the gun and fought fire with fire there…. I’ll try to keep the flame wars to other websites in future!

    The stupidity of several responses was just too much for my sensitive self to ignore. I will be civilised from now.

    Hit me up when its time to give my picks for forthcoming events…. surely my debut picks will be somewhat better than Lane’s were :D

    Fletch

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    SpiderSilva

    September 1, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    As of the last 2 years I’m gonna need more proof from Fedor…he signed with a weak Strikeforce with weak competition and lost to a middle tier UFC reject. He still hasnt fought the organization’s best guy…you would think a guy like Fedor would find any way possible to sign with the UFC and fight the top competition. Well he hasnt yet and that really makes me question him right now, he was the best 4 years ago but the competition today is a lot stronger than it was back then. You people rip on the UFC for no apparent reason…they put on the best fights and get the best guys and still no Fedor. Maybe you should start questioning someone else before attacking Dana for making the sport a powerhouse and putting on the fights you want to see. Right now Fedor has some proving to do because what he did 4 years ago doesnt make him the man today and he’s still not fighting top level fighters. I need to see proof that Fedor can beat JDS or Carwin because right now…I really doubt it and there’s only one way to find out

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    ritualkiller

    September 2, 2010 at 4:23 am

    Dana White is the Vince McMahon of MMA

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    ston3pony

    September 2, 2010 at 6:58 am

    Pretty sensitive about Fedor are you? Where do you put him on the P4P list? I’d like to see him fight Roy Nelson or Duffee. If he did sign with the UFC he wouldn’t deserve a title shot in the first fight. And I think he’d have trouble even with Frank Mir. If magically he does sign, he’ll struggle, and you’ll make the same excuse that I’m sure you make for every Pride fighter who had the guts to sign. They’re all suddenly old. Even though Lesnar is the same age, and Shane is older. This is where you offer the cookie cutter nonsense about Fedor having more wear on his body. No he doesn’t. Lesnar and Shane took more abuse in their collegiate wrestling careers than Fedor has in his MMA career. Lesnar was doing more damage to his body in a single night of retard-wrestling, than Fedor has received over his career. But, he’d be suddenly old.

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    Spyridon

    September 2, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    If you really believe that Dana White is paying Overeem not to fight Fedor, your out of your damn mind lol. That’s the craziest conspiracy theory I have ever seen on this site.

    With that said.. once again… How come you hate Dana for “dishonoring Fedor” but you dont hate Fedors management team? You keep ignoring that question and I’ve asked it a bunch of times in this post, not to mention numerous times in other posts.

    They have done far more to ruin his legacy that Dana ever possibly could. Your anger is focused at the wrong people.

    You said yourself “10 billion voices cried in pain simultaneously” – and that was due to Fedors management and noone else. You also said if he avenged his loss he would be able to “go back on his game plan for world domination” – if it wasnt for his management he wouldnt have to avenge any losses! And he’s not on a game plan of world domination if hes going against fighters like Werdum instead of the top fighters in the world.

    How could a person be so mad at Dana when Dana dont have anything other than words to hurt Fedor… when Fedors management have been shattering his legacy as the most dominant fighter in the world and putting him against fights where he has absolutely nothing to gain?

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    YoMama

    September 5, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    If you think that Fedor has been fighting the best fighters that he can face then you have seriously got to watch more fighting. I know my facts buddy. You obviously do not.
    So now I am done telling you how little you really know ill tell you this. He would fair much better somwhere else monetarily so why is he still in SF? Answer… So he doesnt want to face more people that will take away from his perfect record. Oh wait… its not perfect anymore is it!

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    YoMama

    September 5, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    That is exactly right!!! He is great but not the best by any means!

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    YoMama

    September 5, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    You believe all of this just because you love Fedors sack! He has beat the guys that cant hang in the UFC anymore… aside from maybe Arlovski. Use your head dude and stop getting a hard on evertime you hear Fedors name somewhere!

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    JCVD

    September 7, 2010 at 9:39 am

    STFU about MMALinker. You only know what MMALinker is because youre on Heaven Knight’s **** and Heaven Knight got banned for being a Mir-loving **** who got MANY chances at linker but just couldnt debate rationally. He also came back several times after being banned because he loves us so much, and now he tries to spread shit over the internet. If you want a place to talk to teenagers about how amazing Frank Mir is, go to Fletch’s forum. If you want rational discussion about MMA, plus videos of every event (don’t act like you dont watch our videos Fletch), come to MMALinker.

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    JCVD

    September 7, 2010 at 9:41 am

    btw if “Ronin” wasnt on your **** so hard he probably would have started insulting you for calling Mir’s chin questionable.

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    DanielFletcher

    September 7, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Hahahaha….. I have no idea where that came from (unless I missed a Ronin comment in this section) but I don’t understand why a former MMAstinker poster who happens to post at Team Takeover has ANYTHING to do with the issues that my article addressed.

    “Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity”.

    As for “teenager” – a) I am a 22yr old English male, and b) it is YOU who feels that posting someone as infantile as “mmalinker > 1fletch” can form part of a legitimate argument, or that it is a mature thing to do.

    Now please be silent, child, and wait anxiously for my next lyrical rampage – I await you in my comment section, you angry, unpleasant boy.

    Fletch
    tWo

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    Stev

    September 7, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    I find it hard to believe that there are people who think a fighter with a record of 32-2 needs to chase a fighter with a record of 5-1. If Brock seriously wants to prove he’s the No.1, he needs to disengage Dana’s tongue from his arsehole and go hunting.

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    ski

    September 7, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    the ufc didnt let go of werdum, werdum let go of them. werdum could have came back to ufc but they couldnt agree on a contract, probably cause dana is a ****, thus going to strikeforce. werdum is underrated. got ko’d by an excellent striker like dos santos, big deal it happens sometimes to the best. look at when cro cop got caught by randleman, rizzo and barnett, or chuck got caught by rampage. just because someone gets ko’d doesnt make them unable to ‘hang’ with the new crop of HWs.

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    ski

    September 7, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    rogers and werdum both have potential to beat couture, mir, valesquez, and jds.

    first off couture LOL. i have a ton of respect for him but i dont see him beating either. he is still a great to watch and a good fighter but far from the levels of rogers and werdum. mir is overrated. he doesnt suck but never as good as the hype. velasquez has been great so far but still has a lot of work to prove himself. although a ko over nogueira was a step in the right direction. jds has also looked great and i am a fan of him but he has yet to show any ground game. i could see a rematch with werdum going either way. that night just happen to be jds’s night. personally i dont care to see randy and fedor. if it happens great, but i’d rather see him fight someone more in their prime like overeem. i’d rather see couture test his skills against someone like cro cop, nog, or even heath herring if he were still around.

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    ski

    September 7, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    nice response, i agree!

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    Joey Santosus

    September 8, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Ok , I grow weary of this debate… Here is a quote I reported at least a month or two ago from a Werdum interview conducted by PVT Magazine:

    They (UFC) kind of used me and threw me out. That UFC business is complicated. Its tough to swallow that they would terminate your contract after two nice wins just because you lost the last one, regardless of how it happened. Business is business, it seems and there’s no soft spots involved. That’s how it works – if they don’t like it, you’re out.

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