Poll: Do you think Herb Dean’s stoppage in Fedor vs. Henderson was premature?





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    whitey

    July 31, 2011 at 8:51 am

    I initially thought it was premature however watching the replay I believe it was a good stoppage. The stoppage was very quick which makes it seem like it was early but Fedor clearly went limp and Dan was pounding on him prior to Herb stepping in.

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    Rigo

    July 31, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Of Course it was!
    but still i think Fedor should just retire
    i dont see him making a run as a Heavyweight

    btw Hendo is a freaking beast!!!

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    UnderdogGreatness

    July 31, 2011 at 8:53 am

    If you watch the replay, you’ll have a different opinion regarding the stoppage. Great Stoppage by a great ref imho.

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    51JD51

    July 31, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Tough call, initially i thought it was early and Fedor was turning to defend but the way he dropped like that and ate the first few shots I can see why Herb jumped in (a little tentatively I might add). Hind sight is 20/20 but I would have liked to see how the fight played out with Fedor turning back into guard.

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    maratk

    July 31, 2011 at 8:55 am

    ????? ? ?? ?????? ??? ???????

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    LieutenantDan

    July 31, 2011 at 8:55 am

    fedor was pretty much out :(, congrats to dan. 2 of my favorite mma fighters

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    Kackvogel

    July 31, 2011 at 8:56 am

    i am a big fedor fan and i feel so bad !!! but the stoppage was ok. he recoverd fast, but herb dean saved his ass

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    cranestyle

    July 31, 2011 at 8:56 am

    The rule is, once you stop defending yourself, it’s all over.

    If Herb Dean hadn’t stepped in, Henderson would have ‘Bispinged’ Fedor into oblivion. Nothing premature about it.

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    RAZE

    July 31, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Id usually say no but after I saw what happen in the Congo vs Pat Barry fight and how he let that continue, I say Yes early stoppage. If this fight is dependent on the continuation of his career let there be no doubt left IMO

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    ClosetCasey

    July 31, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Yeah, Fedor didn’t look very motivated for this fight……..Oh wait, he always looks like that.

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    LowkickDick

    July 31, 2011 at 8:57 am

    It doesn’t matter if he was out for a few secs or if he was out cold…once the ref sees that a fighter is out he needs to stop the fight immediately to protect the fighter since he has no idea if he will come to or what state he will be in if he comes to. Great stoppage in my opinion.

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    UnderdogGreatness

    July 31, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Sad to say this, but Fedor got owned tonight.

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    falcon4917

    July 31, 2011 at 8:59 am

    I don’t think it was a bad call but I also don’t think it was the necessary call either and Fedor has many times been the comeback fighter. I think Fedor should have been allowed to continue against Bigfoot too. I am happy for Dan though as he is a great fighter and I am a fan. I definetly would have let the finish be more decisive in such a huge fight as other lower caliber fights have went on in such circumstances.

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    UnderdogGreatness

    July 31, 2011 at 9:01 am

    I wonder if Fedor will still make the P4P list on Lowkick.

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    TheMMAfan

    July 31, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Cant wait to see dana whites response to this.. (SARCASM)

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    diamond-mma2

    July 31, 2011 at 9:02 am

    its funny to guess whos drunk and whos not just by reading peoples post lol like jack the drinker i knew he was drunk before i read his name lol

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    Ninja

    July 31, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Yup replay changed by thoughts…..Fedor went out so its all good, he could hve recovered but he got KO’d at one point n thats good enough for a stoppage

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    phacemon

    July 31, 2011 at 9:04 am

    I think the stoppage was early. Fedor looked out for a split escond(like Nick Diaz against Daley), but if you notice he turned around to defend himself. Herb was in the way. Also, Hendo was punching him in the back of the head if I’m not mistaken(illegal). He should have given it a chance. Fedor can take punishment. I think this was a disappointing stoppage and I’m surprised considering Herb’s great track record.

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    Vergina

    July 31, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Hey they let Kongo/Barry and Maynard/Edgar II go on and look what happened. Fedor turned over after Hendo landed those illegal GnP shots, and got to his feet as Herb stopped the fight. They honestly should of let it go.

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    nochoice

    July 31, 2011 at 9:06 am

    He didn’t want to or wasn’t able to take bigfoot on for another round and tonight clearly he went limb for a while, so the fight should be stopped like it was, clear win, imo.

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    hoodz81

    July 31, 2011 at 9:06 am

    good ref…he felt face down not like kongos last fight u need to stop that fight i mean hedo got bombs we all no ..i don’t wanna see fedor get hurt bad….
    i don’t know was fedor was thinkin very bad gameplan…. i like to see rampage fight hedo again

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    knn03

    July 31, 2011 at 9:06 am

    At first I thought Herb was jumping in to give Dan a warning for the shots to the back of the head, then realized it was a stoppage.

    Herb should have taken into consideration the ability of each fighter, Fedor has an amazing ability to recover and would have recovered for sure and maybe pull off a Kongo or grab Dan into his guard. But I have no hate for Herb, figthers’ safety comes first.

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    whitey

    July 31, 2011 at 9:08 am

    With the position Dan had and at the pace he was throwing punches the likely outcome if Herb Dean let that continue would have been Fedor’s lights going out for an even longer period of time …. stop the fight, protect the fighter.

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    silva_is_king1

    July 31, 2011 at 9:08 am

    it was a good call! and all those who think hendo can beat A.silva now are wrong! cant wait to see silva beat yushin

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    Tchelnik

    July 31, 2011 at 9:12 am

    maybe hes not but your mom will

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    Conan

    July 31, 2011 at 9:13 am

    I would like to see Anderson Silva vs Hendo! Also, Shields vs Hendo, I don’t even want to he what Hendo would do to Shields. Fedor had a very bad game plan. It was a great 1 round, but I would think that Fedor could start slowly instead of running to the H-Bombs. He needs to change he camp just bad. Hendo is the man!

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    movescamp

    July 31, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Terrible Call. A situation like that would almost benefit from a stand up. Two power back of the head shots warrants a ref intervening. Fedor went limp for a moment but that doesn t mean the rules go outthe window either. Henderson should have moved to proper position to hit Fedor in a legal spot for the finish. If he couldn’t he should have taken his back.

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    KeithFarrell

    July 31, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Herb Dean should have stepped in as soon as Fedor took 1 unanswered punch after being floored, waiting a while and then jumping in when Fedor rolls over and looks as if he is recovering was the wrong decision.

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    JTalbain

    July 31, 2011 at 9:18 am

    I thought that Daley got robbed of the TKO against Diaz too. Unconscious is unconscious, doesn’t matter how short a period it is, if it happens you lost. It’s a simple rule that’s there to protect the fighters.

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    hoodz81

    July 31, 2011 at 9:22 am

    belive me this waas the best way the fight ended!!
    i mean dan got boms he would finish the fight 4sure !!
    i like fedor and dan but does feedor hardcore fans realy whant to see fedor got ko realy bad?? u fight a lighter and older men…it’s over he did GREAT FOR THE SPORT BUT IT’s time….don’t wanna see him fight in the ufc and make him self a fol out of him …he payed the price for fighting second class fighters for a long time

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    johnedge

    July 31, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Herb made it premature. Yes, Fedor got hit, but turned over. Also for you guys looking at replays watch Hendo’s position when he got hit. He was not protecting at all. Then was protecting after a few shots and when Dean finally came over Hendo switched Postions and got Fedor good. My question is why did Dean allow Hendo to hit on back of Head. I think Dean got a little quick draw. I smell Dana. Dean is his poster boy for refs.

    The other beef, I have is that in Football two great teams play officals just let them play. Dean upset alot of MMA fans and may have lost them. If I am a promoter I would sit Dean down and ask why this fight was called. I don’t want to lose money from idiots like him.

    Just watch the replay’s of what I said, especially hits in back of head. Fedor got hit, but not out.

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    JTalbain

    July 31, 2011 at 9:23 am

    He went limp and got hit twice more before he started moving again. Out is out.

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    johnedge

    July 31, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Big John is best. He knows the fighters. Dean is Dana’s boy just like Brock.

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    phacemon

    July 31, 2011 at 9:25 am

    That sounds reasonable since he did seem to be out for a split sec. However, I think Fedor would have recovered had Herb given him the benefit of the doubt. Many fighters(including Fedor) have made comebacks from similar dangerous situations. Hendo was throwing punches to the back of the head as well. I guess we’ll never know though. Honestly, I’d like to see them fight again(even though we probably won’t see that happen).

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    Fullcustom

    July 31, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Herb Deaners should’ve let it go untill someone was sleeping. This was a BS win for Hendo. He’s a monster, but this was not a great win for him because of a bad ref call. I’m not buyin it. Fedor should move on to the UFC and finish his run fighting the best.

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    KeithFarrell

    July 31, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Fedor is the most humble fight to have fought in MMA, if he says he thinks it was early then it was early.

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    movescamp

    July 31, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Yeah and bookies and spreads

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    johnedge

    July 31, 2011 at 9:27 am

    BTW, I do want to congratulate Hendo. The fight was great, but Dean screwed the fans.

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    PrideFC

    July 31, 2011 at 9:27 am

    it was an early stoppage, pat barry vs check kongo fight could of been stopped 2 times when kongo went limp, however it wasn’t and check kongo ended up winning 10 seconds later.

    Also Hendo landed 2 shots to the back of Fedor’s head..

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    taz

    July 31, 2011 at 9:27 am

    You say it was a terrible call but you also say that you agree that Fedor went limp, which is what a ref is looking out for to stop a fight, and yes Hendo landed two shots to the back of his head but he then positioned himself and started hitting his face. I thought it was a possible early stoppage until i saw some of the different angles on the replay, which clearly show Fedor face down on the mat.

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    JTalbain

    July 31, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Diaz vs. Daley wasn’t a premature stoppage, it was a late one and for the wrong fighter. The moment Daley hit Nick with a counter hook and he faceplanted, not moving until the second follow up punch to the head (much like in this fight) it should have been stopped. I actually made the comment that if Herb Dean had been reffing that fight, Daley would have won. Looks like I was right.

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    UnderdogGreatness

    July 31, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Where will your sweet 16 party take place again?

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    hoodz81

    July 31, 2011 at 9:33 am

    face down thats all a ref need to see…..plus the ref had nothin to do with danna!!! do u realy wanna see fedor out cold like bisping?? i don’t are u one of those who wanna see fedor goin another round with big foot? ack of the hand?? this is mma and when u smel to finish the fight somtimes it hapens i love fedor and like hendo bur herb does great

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    DaddyLongStrokes

    July 31, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Yeah, Herb Dean was moving in as soon as Fedor went face down ass up, which was how Wandy got knocked out in his last fight. He turned over while Herb was already pushing Hendo out of the way. Its an exhibition match so no need for Fedor to be knocked unconscious but if Fedor fans wanted to see that then eh oh well, hope Fedor comes back, hes like a big teddy bear

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    MMAeveryDay

    July 31, 2011 at 9:38 am

    When you get ko’d, you don’t usually start defending by trying to pull guard, you tend to lay there motionless. It’s called a “flash knock out” folks!

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    taz

    July 31, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Some of the people here keep saying it was a bad call but also agree that Fedor was out, which is a stupid thing to say, if a fighter gets KO’d or goes limp then the fight is over it doesn’t matter how long they are out for.

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    taz

    July 31, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Some of the people here keep saying it was a bad call but also agree that Fedor was out, which is a stupid thing to say, if a fighter gets KO’d or goes limp then the fight is over it doesn’t matter how long they are out for.

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    Joey Santosus

    July 31, 2011 at 9:40 am

    I completely agree with you. I am not arguing that it was necessarily a “bad” stoppage, but I did say it was early. And my reason for saying this is because of past fights. The last thing I want to see is a fighter seriously injured, but there has to be a level of consistency. I could continue to support my opinion, but it may be inappropriate as it would likely stir up quite a bit of debate.

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    DaddyLongStrokes

    July 31, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Well hes also a fighter, and was coming off of 2 losses. He wanted to win this fight desperately and desperate men tell themselves things to justify situations. Not knocking him, its just human nature, if I was in his position I would think the same. I hope he sticks to that mindset of thinking he was still in it so that he comes back again

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    movescamp

    July 31, 2011 at 9:43 am

    For 1.5 seconds. About the same as Dan falling backwards. Both these guys recover quick. Terrible stoppage. Those 2 illegal power shots should have reset the fight. Hendo could have won legit he looked great.

    Bottom line these guys showed Us fighters used to bring it. I still enjoyed the fight. But that was b sit. Notice they never show Fedor get up. Prob because it would excentuate how bad the call was. By the time they cut to him he is standing up looking like normal stoic Fedor.

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    DaddyLongStrokes

    July 31, 2011 at 9:43 am

    You should put your contact lenses on then homie

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    Joey Santosus

    July 31, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Well, also when a fighter goes out like that real quick, often times they do not even realize it happened. So that may be the case.

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    movescamp

    July 31, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Actually it’s a grey area. In boxing there are rules around knock downs but mma leaves it a judges decision. This was a bad one. By the time herb stopped hendo from punching te back of fedors head he would have been totally dangerous again.

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    MMAeveryDay

    July 31, 2011 at 9:51 am

    The fighter was trained to protect himself and because he wasn’t out, he was doing so.

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    MMAeveryDay

    July 31, 2011 at 9:52 am

    And we are not looking for the likely outcome but the actual outcome which was robbed!

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    ogobska

    July 31, 2011 at 9:56 am

    @whitey agree or they would like to see another bisping Knockout.

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    WorldStarCEO

    July 31, 2011 at 9:56 am

    The Ref. is there for a reason.. if fighters were to decide when its time for the fight to be stopped the Ref. would have no purpose… Herb did his job as a Ref. if a fighter gets KO’d (actually goes limp) you STOP the fight period! It’s not like he just got rocked and dropped but was still conscious (like Hendo was earlier in the fight).. he was OUT.. the dude went limp! So the fight needs to be stopped.. There’s rules to this sh*t! Get with it..

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    mokoko

    July 31, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Fedor got ROBBED we can talk all day. UFC payed the Ref for shore they huging for 40 min he dosen’t split them up

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    taz

    July 31, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Fedor went limp , and that is what the ref is looking for, even if he didn’t stop it when he did Hendo was in a great spot and throwing bombs down on his face so there is a very big chance that Fedor would have been KO’d seconds later. Frank Shamrock also said that Fedor was like a “drunk monkey” when he stood up.

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    mokoko

    July 31, 2011 at 10:19 am

    sory 4 min hugging

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    johnedge

    July 31, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Yea. He got hit in the back of the head too. ILLEGAL. Everything got thrown out the window in this fight. Fedor had Dan and watch Dan’s arms go limp. Herb was no where to be found. It’s about like when JFK was shot where was secret service?

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    TorontoUFC

    July 31, 2011 at 10:25 am

    BULLSHIT.

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    HunterB

    July 31, 2011 at 10:26 am

    damn that was pretty funny, oh wait, no it wasnt

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    johnedge

    July 31, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Watch when Fedor gets on Hendo. Hendo’s arms go limp. Where was Dean. I think Dean got a nap between all the hugging.

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    HunterB

    July 31, 2011 at 10:29 am

    is that you T666?

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    johnedge

    July 31, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Are you that nieve that some fights aren’t set up? Just ask Mike Tyson or Don King. Vegas rules the world folks or at least the U.S.

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    HunterB

    July 31, 2011 at 10:31 am

    yes i would love to see a rematch, their first fight was one of the closest decisions i can recall

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    Vidaros

    July 31, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Fedor is my idol but in all honesty Herb Dean did a good job stepped in as soon as he saw Fedor go out, it doesnt matter how fast
    Fedor recovered, when the fight was stopped he was out even if it was for a split second… ah this sucks though.
    But Hendo dude thats one crazy mofo!

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    dray12

    July 31, 2011 at 10:40 am

    It was a bad stoppage. If your gonna stop the fight, stop it as soon as the guy goes limp. Fedor went limp but recovered and was defending himself after being hit once more.

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    dray12

    July 31, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Dude, Bisping was out cold before he hit the matt. Fedor was rocked.

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    ksooner76

    July 31, 2011 at 11:06 am

    look Herb is the best there is he knows the fighter very well
    he would never call it unless had to with as big as of a fight
    as it was if his eyes rolled back he would call it for safety of
    the fighter so watch again he did the right thing…Fedor is not
    the man he was 5yrs ago

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    dray12

    July 31, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Yah, that’s why I say its not an early stoppage, just simply a bad one. If he stopped it as soon as Fedor initially went limp, it would have been acceptable. Kongo went limp twice and I thought both of those instants it would have been reasonable if the ref jumped in to safe him right away, but some fighters can recover fast and defend themselves fine enough to survive.

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    dray12

    July 31, 2011 at 11:09 am

    at MW I agree, but at LHW I wouldn’t mind seeing Hendo vs AS, but it doesn’t make sense to do that.

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    ksooner76

    July 31, 2011 at 11:14 am

    they didnt stiff up or go out just stunned look thats why Herb gets paid for what he does and you dont do what he does cause he has a huge amount of experience and can see the difference

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    thealex

    July 31, 2011 at 11:16 am

    hell ****in no

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    sambo

    July 31, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Just watched the replay again, and its clear to see that those last two strikes were to the back of the head. Henderson was doing better over all and may very well have won if it continued , but fighters deserve to either win or lose fairly. Fedor was recovering while taking punches to the back of the head.

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    Courtes

    July 31, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    yeah he went out for a split second, but i think he could go on though
    Herb should stop the Wall and stall earlyer aswell.

    just give me dan mirgliotta next time , hes a badass

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    Bronson007

    July 31, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Wow, wtf, based on the history of these fighter’s would stand alone and state the the can take and give it, just pissed us off.

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    Courtes

    July 31, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    dude learn some english , im dutch and i dont talk dutch here ,

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    cranestyle

    July 31, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Hey Anton, is it so hard to admit you picked the wrong guy in a fight?

    I read three other popular MMA websites review of the fight, and there was only one mention of early stoppage, and that was a brief, reporting Fedor’s own belief that it was stopped too soon.

    And you don’t normally take the word of the guy who got knocked out about if he got knocked out.

    Funny how only this site is talking about premature stoppage.

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    Bronson007

    July 31, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Idiot., well maybe i’m being a little harsh, but I just checked and apparently the English Oxford dictionary say’s and I am being conservative here…. NOPE that is spot on, and you spell “Bomb’s” with a “B” at the end lol.

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    DaddyLongStrokes

    July 31, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Ive been watching Gifs all day….slow motion and all. You see Fedor fall flat on his face and go limp, and as soon as that happens Herb Dean being the great ref that he is, runs in and begins to move Dan out of the way. If the fight continued, it would probably end up like Lindland/Lawlor….flipping over to eat bombs and go unconscious….. Geez you Fedor fans are out of control haha

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    Jack N. Meoff

    July 31, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    BS early stoppage! I like Hendo, but if he was going to win I would like to have seen him win this decisively. Fedor has the heart of a champion and sure as hell wasn’t finished! He has come back back from much graver circumstances to get a win. BS

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    DaddyLongStrokes

    July 31, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    But Big John came in while daley had his guard up and after missed/blocked shots from Diaz. Plus there was a lot of time for Dan to plow through Fedor’s face. They are very different

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    DaddyLongStrokes

    July 31, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Yeah thats very true, should have added that to my comment

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    DaddyLongStrokes

    July 31, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Herb ran over and was dead set on pushing Dan off, so by the time he was there already pushing Dan he couldnt have seen Fedor rolling over. As soon as Fedor was in such a vulnerable position and limp, any referee would push Dan off…..unless its the ref that reffed the Mir/Carwin fight. (Mirgliotta I believe)

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    DaddyLongStrokes

    July 31, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    He should blame himself for not wanting to get beat up by Donald Cerrone. Everyone that knows Donald Cerrone as a fighter wants to see that fight…..Cole Miller knows he cant hang though, so I guess its smart of him

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    Jack N. Meoff

    July 31, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    What about Daley knocking out Diaz’s lights twice??? They seemed to give him a free pass to recover there, Diaz was out 2-3 sec each time. Inconsistent BS reffing.

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    cranestyle

    July 31, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Watched the footage again…

    If a fighter manages to turn over and move his arms in a way that suggests he is “intelligently defending himself”, then you could say the stoppage was premature.

    If, however, in the preceding moments the fighter was face down on the canvas with his arms at his side, it kind of changes the context, don’t you think?

    Fedor was out, even if only for a few seconds. He turned on his back but his hands were just waving in the air, doing nothing to stop Hendo’s fists from raining down on him.

    Sure, you can say you wish the Herb let it go a bit longer. That’s your opinion. But by the rules of MMA, that was a text book stoppage, so don’t confuse what you wanted with what happened.

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    cranestyle

    July 31, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    And then he “would have” traveled back in time and not got knocked out…but he didn’t. Just like he didn’t pull guard.

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    cranestyle

    July 31, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Was that between the two hooks the right side of Fedor’s head, and then the hammer fists to the left side after he started turning?

    I read some of these comments and I wonder what fight you guys were watching.

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    Earney

    July 31, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    one on the back of the head en two on the side of the head.

    of een op de achter hoofd en twee aan de zijde van de hoofd dus stoppen was gewoon goed.
    Bij de klap ging Fedor gewoon uit dus.

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    D

    July 31, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    The stoppage may have been a little early. Fedor did turn over and had his hands up to defend himself. Maybe he could have controlled Dan’s posture and avoided further damage….

    But Dan was in side control, and Fedor was up against the fence. Fedor was not controlling Dan’s posture at all. It is far more likely that Dan would have landed a couple more huge right hands and won by KTFO instead of TKO if you know what I mean. After all, this is Dan Henderson we’re talking about, not Dominick Cruz. He can leave a guy unconcious for several minutes with one punch.

    My verdict: the stoppage WAS slightly early – but the outcome of the fight would have been the same in another 3-5 seconds.

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    nochoice

    July 31, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Kongo never went limp, fedor did !

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    IChokePeople

    July 31, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Not to mention Shields V Hendo. Shields was out cold until hitting the canvas woke him up.

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    IChokePeople

    July 31, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    I agree that from a purely technical viewpoint it was a good stoppage but Fedor could have continued and Dan was wobbled too so it would have remained even. OT but how much do you want to bet Zuffa releases Fedor now? I hope not though. Hopefully his next fight will be a rematch against Werdum. They are both coming off of losses so it makes sense.

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    mokoko

    July 31, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    ROBBED

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    RabbitPuncher

    July 31, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Dan would of beat him had Dean not stopped it right then IMO. He had the dominant position. Dan looked to be the better fighter. His striking was crisper and and he was in control. Fedor’s wild style has got to change. In the training vids I saw, it seemed as if Fedor was working controlling his power and using straighter punch combos. I saw none of that in this fight, just the same wild looping bombs that he has always thrown.

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    mmauk

    July 31, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    The problem was that Herb Dean was actually to slow. If he get to Hendo before he lands those illegal blows to the back of the head there would be no issues or any complaints from anyone because Fedor was limp at that point. Overall it was a justified stoppage. I remember when Rampage stopped Chuck he had him limp then actually woke Chuck back up this was the same, Fedor went limp then woke back up.

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    TheRealDeal

    July 31, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Herb Dean is one of the best refs in the business, and those of you who doubt his decision making are nothing but a bunch of computer nerds. That’s why you are sitting there out of shape, have no MMA experience, have never fought, and have no clue what you are talking about. Probably still live with mommy too.

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    movescamp

    July 31, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Right and I guess to have never seen Fedor fight. I can think of 5 occasions he was stunned looked like a drunkin monkey and came back to win. Oh and I train 3 times a week.

    It wasn’t necessary and many fights have gone past that point. The 2 illegal blows to the back of the head should have given the fight a 10 second stall and reset. By that time herb could have made his decision.

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    movescamp

    July 31, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Not sure what you are talking about Dan got lucky with an uppercut on the ground. Otherwise he was getting smashed on his feet. Fedor went for it. Dan went for it. It was pretty much dead even. At least these guys didn’t pump jab each others gloves for three rounds. This is what fights used to be like. Where fighters actually fight. I lOved it. The stoppage was a premature but that’s how it goes. There is a huge element of chance in fights when people actually exchange.

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    Stiks

    July 31, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    I don’t think it was an early stoppage at all. Fedor clearly went limp and his faced just smacked down on the octogan as he went out.

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    TheKaybs

    July 31, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    There is a reason we do not have deaths in the UFC / Strikeforce and it is certainly not because people want to see unconscious humans get hit more and momentum moving to more. You people rooting to see Fedor get pummeled for the “opportunity” to intelligently defend himself (not just recover) are simply misunderstanding the purpose of the sport. It is not to see who is the last one living.

    If anybody can tell me ONE other fight (within last 5 yrs) in which a fighter face-plants into the the mat with their ass up and the fight doesn’t get stopped, I’d be glad to review the tape.

    Herb Dean did his job exactly as he was supposed to. There was no hesitation, Dan just kept throwing punches. There was no Fedor recovering to defend himself properly to not justify a stoppage, Dan just kept throwing punches.

    I have ALWAYS liked Fedor but this is not old school MMA. You don’t get to be visibly unconscious and fight back. He at least can fight again. If it was allowed to continue, I don’t think Fedor would ever be fighting again.

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    movescamp

    July 31, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    The only shots Fedor took after the uppercut were two power shots (illegal) tothe back of the head.

    There are two manny fights to name to give you examples of. Most recently Daley vs Diaz.

    Fedor has at least 5 wins where he came back in very similar situations. There are no deaths in boxing which gives the same type of situation a ten count.

    Herb should have stopped hendo after those two illegal power strikes to the back of fedors head and checked if Fedor was conscious. If he wasn’t call tko. No problem. When a fighter comes to as fast as Fedor did he was not ko d. He was stunned. Fighters fight that way all the time. Often it ends they get ko’d some times they win when the aggressor gets reckless.

    Hendo was in great position he should not have bombed the back of fedors head. Regardless of the heat of the moment. You can’t just kick a guy in the nuts or throw illegal elbows because it is intense.

    If herb stopped hendo checked on Fedor it may have ended. But he didn’t and now we have controversy.

    Notice they never show Fedor stand up. We has to take frank shamrocks word for it. If he stood up and walked to his corner right away its a pretty good sign he was ok.

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    BigNog22

    July 31, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    the stoppage reminds me of chuck vs rampage 2

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    GeorgeRuetiger

    July 31, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    It was not a bad stoppage –
    but if it had have been allowed to go on, it would have been equally unshocking.

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    LieutenantDan

    July 31, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    its funny how biased people are. you actually think he would have stopped dan from posturing on him? when he rolled over he was in side control…. as much as i love fedor, he lost decisively.

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    phacemon

    July 31, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    I wasn’t talking about Daley. I was talking about Nick Diaz.

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    Pride4Ever

    July 31, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    rematch!.. that stoppage was bullshit

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    Pride4Ever

    July 31, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    it was a flash knock out, he came back a second later and was on his back trying to defend. at least 10 more seconds would have made the difference

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    MereDictum

    July 31, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Slow it down if u need to but he went limp following a punch. Fight stopped. Its that simple. No such thing as a “half stoppage”; it’s like being pregnant. Either you are or not, no in between. Love all these Fedor fanboys Monday morning it. Must sting pretty bad

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    mmauk

    July 31, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    @Corey
    The only thing I was comparing was that Fedor went limp for a few seconds and then woke up. Chuck went limp and then woke up from a punch so why can I not compare the two. When a fighter goes limp the fight should be stopped it doesn’t matter if he wakes up seconds later. We wonder why the MMA hater’s call this sport barbaric at times a fighter goes limp and gets beat on flips over takes a few more shots and the fans want more. It’s clear to me now it isn’t mma thats barbaric it Fedor fans like you.

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    Spyridon

    August 1, 2011 at 12:00 am

    He can spell and punctuate properly. Spaces his lines too.

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    johnedge

    August 1, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Look, Herb took a side of caution and jumped in too early. Yes, Dana White needs to admit Dean jumped a little early. Even Ref’s screw up and make mistakes. That’s life. Both fighters are ok. Unfortunately someone had to lose. That is the problem with MMA the gray area of this. This is why Dana doesn’t understand Boxing. When a fighter gets knocked out and doesn’t get back up in 10 seconds he’s out. That’s why Boxing is more exciting and is still running strong. MMA will be a fad. Yes, it will be strong for about 10 more years. Maybe less, if these fighters in the UFC only fight 1 fight a year. When did Cain fight last? Geez. Come on MMA if you want to keep up with Football and be mainstream you need to get with it.

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    DaddyLongStrokes

    August 1, 2011 at 1:08 am

    my goodness edub….as soon as Fedor fell flat on his face and went limp Herb pushed Dan…..meanwhile Fedor rolls over because the last not so powerful punch from Dan(Due to being pushed by Herb) wakes fedor up. Fedor was out…..get over it, its getting sad now…..

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    jamo

    August 1, 2011 at 1:52 am

    the only good thing i see about fedor thinking it was stopped early is it shows he still may have a little fire in him to compete. i think not staying busy while the rest of the world gets better is the reason for fedors demise. his punches don’t have the steam they used to and he has no gameplan to get himself out of trouble. dan should have never gotten his back in the first place and when he did, fedor had to know the thunder was coming. he didn’t and thats why he was knocked out. fedor needs to fights more oftern like he did in pride and find the fire that made him the scariest man on the planet.

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    MereDictum

    August 1, 2011 at 2:02 am

    Fine you’re not a “nut hugger” (your words), just not very bright.

    Happy?

    Herb did what he was trained/paid to do and did it well. If I were Fedor I’d be pissed too, but even he seems to get what your small pee brain can’t wrap around.

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    MereDictum

    August 1, 2011 at 2:07 am

    Please don’t encourage him to stop, it’s actually getting kinda funny . . . and I’m bored.

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    The Woods''

    August 1, 2011 at 6:00 am

    Dude, Have you seen how many posts youv’e made on this event YOU will never change?. lol

    You seem pretty worked up. Dont sweat it bro. Whats happened has happened. I think you need to get your life in check. No offense.

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    The Woods''

    August 1, 2011 at 6:13 am

    @edub by the way^^

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    Nemesis

    August 1, 2011 at 7:38 am

    i did abit…now im sorta neutral. it looked like he went limp, it also looks like dan headbutt the back of fedors neck. I think dan is a cheap fighter ever since he poked franklin in the eye and headbutt him etc..so wouldnt be surprised.

    That being said, Fedor wasn’t winning that fight. Dan was able to control him against the cage and what little punches fedor could land clean had no effect on dan.

    respect for silva anyone? Supposedly dan was washed up when they fought 4 years back..when fedor was like 30.

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    The Woods''

    August 1, 2011 at 7:58 am

    I dont know about your situation but if you just take care of your shizzle’ dude you wont have to get angry about someones difference in opinions bro.

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    johnedge

    August 1, 2011 at 8:01 am

    I agree with you on not the steam he use to have on his punches. His hands aren’t stone anymore. I think he has quit weightlifting all together. He needs to get back to that and also needs to get the sledge hammer back.

    I will say I think he got screwed in that fight and Dana told his “best ref” to call it if Fedor is even close to trouble.

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    johnedge

    August 1, 2011 at 8:18 am

    THis is why the sport sucks now. It needs to go back to old school MMA. Look Dana can bitch all he wants about boxing, but boxing is still going strong. Alot of people on MMA blogs think boxing doesn’t exist, but it is strong. If you don’t think it does get out of your MMA box. This is as far as MMA goes. It will never MAINSTREAM in AMERICA. Football, Basketball, and Baseball are too BIG for MMA. Soccer tried to mainstream in America, but it has failed miserably.

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    johnedge

    August 1, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Carwin and Lesnar was a classic example of face down, but Hey no lose for Lesnar there. I am telling you Dana and Herb have something going on. I will bet on it.

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    johnedge

    August 1, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Problem with MMA is there is TOO MANY “gray areas” which makes it not have much consistency with calls. THat is why the NFL has cleaned up alot of rules. MMA needs to do the same or it will lose more fan base.

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    computerjiujitsubb

    August 1, 2011 at 10:54 am

    i voted yes.. that being said i agree with hendo and think he would have finished him once he rolled over.. but thats all speculation we will never know.

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    KeithFarrell

    August 7, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Looking back on it i do think it was the right decision

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